Tovah Olson: You have very high demands.
Elizabeth Murray: (laughs) For other people it's very frightening and totally destructive.
Olson: Yeah, well. It got a little goofy. I was bleeding.
Murray: When I got to a certain point, I really wanted to destroy all evidence of my past struggles. I've got some things in storage, not too much.
Olson: It’s really hard to pick a favorite.
Murray: No, it's not hard for me to do it.
Olson: That’s very strange.
Murray: Now I’m sorry I did it. For the emotions to be seen, you have to have a format.
Olson: Right now it's basically just an answering machine that plays tape loops, and a mixer that plays feedback, and sometimes that has some effects on it, and then sometime I'll plug in a contact mic, and put it on a tin can and that's it.
Murray: I didn’t have any walls.
Olson: But I don't like shop talk, it bores me. There's a whole phenomenon of people in China whose whole job is to play video games, to collect points, you know?
Murray: That’s a lot of bullshit. It’s terribly upsetting.
Olson: Yeah. I don’t care.
Murray: There’s so much superficiality. Which means I can't build these canvases.
Olson: Because I’d get really nervous. That throws me off.
Murray: Like a crack in the forms.