Mike Kelley: We’ve talked about crafts and how there’s no history of crafts.
Jeremy Saulnier: No gatekeepers. No department heads.
Kelley: Yes, that aggression is obvious. They remind me of personal ads, in a way.
Saulnier: Krishnacore. Vegan kids. Yuppie neighbors.
Kelley: The plight of those people is too horrible to imagine.
Saulnier: When people would drive by me and my friends covered in blood with these very realistic plastic weapons with a camera, they would stop and say, “You boys okay?”
Kelley: But it’s so offhand that you don’t even think about it.
Saulnier: You’re probably right. The weaponry. Black Sabbath.
Kelley: You strive to categorize them.
Saulnier: But I wasn’t violent or angry.
Kelley: Yeah, I definitely was. Maybe it’s pitiful that all these energies are pumped into a birdhouse.
Saulnier: Until you do it, though, you don’t believe it.
Kelley: You’re just fucked, then.
Saulnier: Running around the woods with guns, getting hit by cars. Being evil wizards.
Kelley: I always hated the dry tone of surrealist literature.