Doug Copeland: Okay, click.
Richard Melville Hall: Coca leaves, all organic, Fair Trade.
Copeland: Scandinavia, Benelux, Germany, yeah.
Hall: Not cities packed with people going out to clubs and dancing but desolate, empty streets.
Copeland: So that inside the world that we see right now, not just books, this napkin, that spoon, there are all these hidden categories.
Hall: Jimi Hendrix used to hang out there, it's where all the late 60s rock stars just got up to terrible degeneracy.
Copeland: Cardboard boxes that you throw out in the back alleys.
Hall: She’s pregnant, she won an Academy Award.
Copeland: Like how often do you hear the singing voice of the human soul?
Hall: So when I listen to gospel singers pouring their heart out to God, it's the act of pouring their hearts out that interests me.
Copeland: Which is ironic and whatever.
Hall: Less so in sobriety.
Copeland: For example, almost every yearbook has a shot where the third best-looking girl in the school is kind of looking around frightened, like a Cindy Sherman photo.
Hall: That's nice, the schadenfreude of that.
Copeland: Oh, you haven’t been fed enough.
Hall: Not at all.
Copeland: As I l look back on what we have been talking about, it’s all been about the globalization of creativity and is there any comfortable point where the marketplace and creativity meet?
Hall: Sometimes abusive therapy. The depression got worse, the anxiety got worse, it got to the point where I couldn't go on a date without panic attacks.
Copeland: I think even Europe has had them.
Hall: No one wants to be hated, in public, by lots of people.
Copeland: We really are.