Jerry Hall: I was painted entirely blue, and when we were finished, the makeup wouldn't come off.
Frans de Waard: Oh, absolutely. I am not sure why.
Hall: Yeah. It's half reality, half comedy.
de Waard: It is, I think, the commodification of pop music, a tool to earn money, a marketing trick and it will never ever result in something that you never heard of.
Hall: But I wear lots of beautiful clothes in the show — Westwood, Celine, Dolce & Gabbana. Very elegant.
de Waard: What I did then, I wouldn't do these days.
Hall: Everything comes back, baby.
de Waard: Sometimes, surely.
Hall: And it’s a little too close for comfort.
de Waard: I have very little to offer in terms of advice really.
Hall: I have to sing Cole Porter songs. [Laughs] On the back of a motorcycle.
de Waard: It is something I see here in The Netherlands quite a bit, and it probably happens in a lot of other countries too.
Hall: You're one of the few people to have ever seen it—how did you find it?
de Waard: There isn't an overall aesthetic quality I look for.
Hall: Now I'm learning about Sufism.