Thomas Szasz: How many earrings can you have in your nose, on your ears, in your belly button?
Gustavo Zermeño Jr.: [laughs] I grew up with surfer homies, gang homies, graf homies, artists, musicians, you name it, man.
Szasz: Now you get a lot of money for it.
Zermeño Jr.: I'm clocking in, I'm clocking out.
Szasz: This is allowed on television.
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Zermeño Jr.: Everything kind of came at me as it did. It's such a large scale and people might think it's difficult to go to a large scale, but to be honest, it's a little bit easier.
Szasz: Yes, but not as a requirement. It’s entirely contractual.
Zermeño Jr.: So cool. Yeah. A flannel, a crispy tee, jeans, khakis.
Szasz: There has been a long series of claims like these.
Zermeño Jr.: Thank you, man.
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Szasz: Just like with illegal parking.
Zermeño Jr.: To be honest, it was very difficult.
Szasz: The hospital didn't go after you.
Zermeño Jr.: They demolished it pretty quickly after that,
Szasz: Neither Laing nor Foucault made this clear.