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Nov 15, 2022, 06:29AM

I’ve Persuaded Myself

A 2004 The Believer interview with author Ian Frazier vs. a 2007 Border Crossing Magazine interview with filmmaker Michael Snow.

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Michael Snow: It’s not so much investigating the world as using different kinds of representational situations to make something that doesn’t actually exist in the world.

Ian Frazier: Yeah, technical terms from ultra-weird porno from years gone by. I’m actually thinking it’s too easy.

Snow: Unfortunately, they got lost and have since disappeared.

Frazier: They’d love that. You go there, and you’re through.

Snow: They booed and hissed and threw things at the screen. 


Frazier: It might make you feel better about yourself, but the side effect is isolation.

Snow: I didn’t know what that meant and it took me a long time to figure out what it might mean. 


Frazier: There’s something, to me, calming about knowing the end of the story, knowing the punch line.

Snow: Absolutely. And there are arguments about whether it should be done.

Frazier: I have persuaded myself.


Snow: Her name was Michelle and I still have a photograph of her.

Frazier:  It’s just a picture, very symbolic.


Snow: But equally important is that it’s a camera motion picture—it’s about moving the camera in a totally open three-dimensional space that turns out to be a landscape.

Frazier: And what everybody has tried to do is either chip through it, or just hop on top and be part of the accumulated coral.

Snow: Especially Cologne, because you arrived at the train station and the cathedral had survived but the rest of the city was just rubble.

Frazier: It’s like you’ve gotten in the back of a taxicab and you realize the cab driver is completely lost and is just driving.

Snow: I think all of us sympathize in a way.


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