Christian Wolff: Where does the image of the gesture come from?
Zaha Hadid: Well, I mean, I'm kind of quite distant from it.
Wolff: There was an introverted feeling, rather specialized, esoteric.
Hadid: Yes. In terms of what you build.
Wolff: I don't know if I would use the word usurped.
Hadid: Me, turning my board, which was where I was painting and drawing—when they came for dinner, I would turn it around, and I would make it into the dining table.
Wolff: I could never do that.
Hadid: You cannot do it.
Wolff: Certainly not consciously.
Hadid: You know, you release your -- you know, you relax and, you know, whatever. But it's about volume.
Wolff: Yes, and a little collection of miscellaneous objects.
Hadid: I mean, we were all devastated.
Wolff: So it became a small support group.
Hadid: It's like making a film, actually, except it takes maybe a bit longer.
Wolff: I was trying to think of some way of doing that with a text.
Hadid: Well, actually, a lot of builders are quite challenged by these kind of projects.
Wolff: Almost everything that one could imagine seems to have been tried.
Hadid: Everybody suspects and they know, but they will never say it.