Greg Sage: You could find blank red lacquers at Goodwill and things like that for a nickel a piece because there was a big surplus of that stuff.
Big Sean: Like I said, I don't really take vacations, so that's my way of relaxing.
Sage: There’s just no money in it.
Big Sean: Everybody who's invested in you is going to give you their opinions and tell you what they think is best.
Sage: I'll get crap for that too, I'm sure.
Big Sean: Come on. I think that’s the wrong perspective.
Sage: Nothing really weird, I've used some plastic PVC tubing.
Big Sean: That just goes to show that you're still at the beginning of your career.
Sage: Renting a house or whatever.
Big Sean: That's not an easy thing to do.
Sage: But I never had money to market it and by the time I really kind of got it together, it was like everybody and their dog was making tube equipment.
Big Sean: Straight up. Some Jewish, some white, some black.
Sage: They were just like a human ear, they were just so amazing… magical sounding.
Big Sean: And it was great. Losing people.
Sage: It all added up.