Ron Athey: I find writing painful.
Lisa Carver: You gotta feel bad sometimes.
Athey: Oh god, this should be one of my specialties. So it's hard to offset latter-day capitalism and voting against your own interests in the name of keeping it sacred.
Carver: Why would taking on other people’s lives be overwhelming?
Athey: Mostly institutional squeamishness.
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Carver: What do you mean? Not everyone trusts me.
Athey: I never try to lay out the rules.
Carver: I don’t think or care about linear narratives.
Athey: Except when I’m feeling grand.
Carver: Sure.
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Athey: More importantly, there were really horny, rough gay boys and older, fist-fucking leather men in full leathers with that rancid Crisco smell on them.
Carver: Sure. I sought them out. But whatever you can get them to agree to in the beginning is good.
Athey: Something gets lost when that’s not needed. (laughter) Let me show you what I’ve been working on.
Carver: No one gets to guilt-monger me.
Athey: That’s the challenge.